ion in the San^
you believe il. don't you?
national comM |)r ^ , am sQ sir
; Communist B ■"
Silvern* Mr. Velde: If you do not question
Dr. Condon: I don't question the fact.
lit district. Co*' don't question the fact that Mr. Green-
Ifeld wrote such a memorandum, and I
I ■ nunilleciT'''011' know whether he knows whether
■ . -i- :c i rethc is factually correct or not.
ni-i pai tv is a if ;
1 did you know! Mr. Tavenner: I noticed lhat in coning such a nwru'ction with the quoting of the testi-
Iniony of Elizabeth Bentley you rather
, -^indicated some doubt in your mind
, my first 1
; when it was J
>rd in June Oj
ny indication ol
d you known 3
I . cenimilteenia*
about the truthfulness of her testimony,
because I think that you used the words
'if that is so."
Dr. Condon: That is right.
Mr. Tavenner: Well, are you ac-
rly would you |°euainted with the fact that as a result
was a loyal, pa^?f hcr testimony, largely, William Remington was brought to trial and con-
. . j V'ded as a member of the Communist
"''I" "° ' hoWarl>'' or for perjury in denying his
h- "'know toPnf'mlx*rshil) '" ,he Communist party?
rnmunistnpTrty.L Dr' ^ON,°^: No; l remember thai
ave had to shuriff emington had a great many difficulties,
ink that I have*"1 1 only had a casual newspaper
ng met any, butjrt'ader's acquaintance with it.
piainlance, and' -Mr. Tavenner: And that, as a result
felt differently "°f her testimony, Abraham Brothman
,s was identified and convicted, along with
•Harry Gold and others.
COMMUNISTS J Dr. Condon: I don't remember hearting Ihe name of Brotbmaii.
; you acquaints
pee< Mr. Tavenner: In the Fuchs case.
Dr. Condon : I don't know the Broth-
■ .Iwrtan name,
ot to my knowiaj
people who are! ™R- Iavenner: This committee has
1 ' Investigated her testimony very fully and
has not learned of any instance in which
u have never KI she was wrong in identifying a great
mmunisl party- many people as members of the Commu-
Vot to know "Tist underground.
say; I don't kn<>1 Mr. Jackson: Counsel, may I ask a
>t, but nobody ^question: To put il into another way,
been at the Utafao you know of any instance in which
the Elizabeth Bentley testimony has been
i ii ..,„,aldis<rcdited?
'ould you repe^. _
I UR. Condon: No, nor do I mean to
, .,/h*(r"dit il: 1 jusl reserve- judgment.
\\ hal am li>", ,. . , , ,. ,
,l,„re', Ml<- Jackson: As long as lhat slight
IS 111 i ' ii I' ' I " I 1
"ncr-'"1,i " Was ''asl "'"'" ''"' t('s'i'nony, per-
. ,'i" '.'-" I i-ne*. |,s '"advertently,! do not know, lull
,t the time Ik" >. ,hink ., ^^ ^ ^ ^ .( ^y
mill now 1 liau wn : . ., , ,
.. ■ . ,)«'= """ I"'' record that in no case
"' ,'i""",'"" iL J-*1 '">' knowledge has the testimony been
could naturals *J: 1,. , ", . .
thing: She did not tell me in any ex-
]>licit detail, but merely this sort of
thing that has been alleged about his
alleged membership in a Soviet espionage ring or group or whatever you
Mr. Tavenner: During the course of
your term as Director of the Bureau of
Standards, did you become acquainted
with a person by the name of Ignace
Dr. Condon: Well, I am not sure exactly when I first met him. He was a
member of the American-Soviet Science
Society, and I may have had a letter
or two and he came down to see me
during the first year I was in Washington, and he being in New York at the
time. In the summer of 1916 he was on
ihe official Polish delegation as observer
al the naval atomic bomb test at Bikini,
and I had nothing to do with lhat in the
sense of accrediting him. He was there;
I saw him there. I saw him and several
times subsequently in Washington.
Mr. Tavenner: Well, during the
course of your acquaintanceship with
him, did he ever request informal ion
from us as to the manner through which
microfilms and photostats or journals
deposited with the Bureau of Standards
could be obtained?
Dr. Condon: No.
Mr. Tavenner: Did you also become
acquainted with a person by the name
of Helen Harris, an employee of the
Dr. Condon: Yes.
Mr. Tavenner: Did you at any time
in response to a request by her arrange
a meeting between Zlotowski and James
people f"''" 'j^inie
lembers of tl»'jrjv,
id even that
Kililcd. and il has stood up
Mr. Tavenner: You stated that Mrs.
"salka informed you about fifteen
months before the icslimony was given
J>V Elizabeth Bentley that Silvermaster
nu leslilicii in"! j^was under investigation by the FBI.
egory Silvering 1)l( CoNDON. That ig right
And I don l kn Mr Tavenner: Did she tell you whv
member of the ,-he- was 1|M||(,r invest:gationy
I DR. Condon: Yes.
Mr. Tavenner: What was it?
estion it, in" ■
•re was notbi"r5
it indicated that' Dr. Condon: Well, it was this sort of
f you don't q^FACTs F0RrjM NEWS, January, 1
Dr. Condon: I don't recall it was in
response to a request by her, but I
certainly have introduced Zlotowski and
James Newman. I have forgotten
whether she had a part in it or not.
Mr. Tavenner: What was the purpose of that meeting?
Dr. Condon: Just ordinary social acquaintance, connected with a common
interest in atomic energy.
Mr. Tavenner: Who requested the
Dr. Condon: I think it sounds much
more formal when you speak about re-
questing an introduction. As I recall the
circumstances. Zlotowski came to visit
me one evening for a call at a time when
I was myself expecting to go over and
call on James Newman, and before going over I called up to ask if it was
all right to bring this fellow over, saying he is an interesting person, or something of that sort. It was as casual as
that, just of bringing people together.
Mr. Tavenner: That would have been
at your initiative then rather than that
of Zlotowski. if it happened that way.
Dr. Condon: Yes, you know how
social things go. I perhaps asked his
permission, would he like to spend the
evening with Newman, before calling
Newman up. and I don't know just
quite how that was.
Mr. Tavenner: Have you read the
testimony of General Isadore Modelski,
former military attache of the Polish
Embassy in Washington, who testified
under oath that lo his knowledge Ignace
Zlotowski while in the I niled States was
engaged in espionage on behalf of the
Dr. Condon: No, I haven't seen that.
Is that public testimony of this committee? I haven't seen it. . . .
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