cef information perhaps between the top
ten or a dozen men on the project. I
am well aware that there was no
occasion for having the men that were
further down the line in one area be
fully aware of all the details down the
other, not only it wastes their time
but if there is any unfortunate security
leaks such as did occur then those people
are in a lesser position to spread things
around. That is the theory of it.
On the other hand, when you make
it so extreme that I, who was second
in command al Los Alamos, am criticized for talking to Arthur Compton.
who was first in command of the laboratories here in Chicago, and the talk
was on matters of vital concern about
the interrelationship of the work at
Los Alamos and the work here at
Chicago, so that the work could go
ahead more efficiently and expeditiously, I think that that was wrong. This
is the thing.
Mr. Jackson: You did not feel that
ymi unduly minimized the matter of
security required and necessary security at any time?
Dr. Condon: No; 1 don't think so.
Mr. Tavenner: That you took all
reasonable efforts to observe it yourself?
Dr. Condon: I have always. That is
another point that I think ought to be
made even though in some of these
policy discussions I have expressed
views about regulations, I have always
lived carefully with whatever regulations
I was bound by, even though I might
feel critical of some of the details.
Mr. Moulder: You were never challenging the restriction other than how
il might affect vein personally, your own
Dr. Condon: Thai i- right, and all
of these things were worked out verbally
between Dr. Oppenheimer and myself
and we were perfectly good friends and
have been for many years, and 1 wrote
this le'tter at his request because he was
disturbed about these same regulations,
to help him in bis negotiations with the
authorities about some points of detail.
There was no need for me to write a
letter at all, if he hadn'l wauled it for
some such purpose.
Mr. Moulder: You weren't challenging the necessity of the regulations, I
understand you to say, as to how they
might affect you and your family life, is
thai what I understand?
Dr. Condon: That is right. As to
whether I questioned their necessity or
not, I frankly am not quite sure what
views I held at the time, I knew they
made an impossible situation in my
family life, and I knew that they weeiilil
make difficulties in the lives of other
families as they did. and so I was ex-
pressing this at Oppenheimer's request.
Mr. Velde: Dr. Condon, you mentioned leaks such as did occur. Do you
have within your own personal knowledge any leaks?
Dr. Condon: No; I was referring
really to the Puchs case, and I only
know about that from newspaper accounts.
INVITED TO RUSSIA
Mr. Tavenner: During the period of
your employment at Westinghouse Laboratories, did you in 1945 receive an
invitation to attend certain exercises of
the Academy of Sciences in the Soviel
Dr. Condon : Yes.
\lu. Tavenner: Who extended the in-
vitation to you?
Dr. Condon: M\ recollection was it
was a Mr. Edwin Smith, of the National
Council of American-Soviet Friendship.
Mr. T.u knnkic What was the purpose
given for the attendance at these exercises ?
Dr. Condon: Well, this was one of
the normal type of academic celebration
and function related to science, much
analogous to the Centennial of Engineering that is going on here in
Chicago this week. It was supposed to
be, I think, the two hundred and
twentieth anniversary of the founding ol
the Russian Academy of Sciences, and
ihe Russians had invited many people
from various countries to come for a
sort of scientific conference or convention.
\\ i never had a detailed program
given in advance, so I don't know exactly what the program would have
Mu. Tavenner: Do you know the
number of American scientists who at-
Iriiiled, or who were invited?
Dr. CeiNieceN: There were fifteen or
sixteen who attended, and a g I mam
more were invited, bill I don t know
how many more.
Mu. Tavenner: Did you receive a
formal invilatieeii ?
Dr. Condon: No. It was a wry hastily
gotten up thing, and as I recall it, Mr.
Smith called nir mi llir phone from New
^ ink anil just asked me would I be
interested in going if 1 were invited,
and those conversational questions; ami
1 said Ms. if I could arrange it.
Mit. Tavenner: Did you make' application for a passport to go to llus-i.c Eoi
Dr. Ciiniiiin : That is right.
Mr. TAVENNER: And il was issued.
was it iiul.'
Dr. Coniiiin : That is right.
Mr. Tavenner: \nd then taken up?
Dr. Condon: Thai is right. 1 surrendered it in the New York office eel
ihe State Department, the Passport
Mr. Tavenner: Who requested
you siirii'iiilci il ?
Dr. Condon: Mrs. Shipley, ChJj
the Passport Division.
\Ih. Tavenner: Was any
Dr. Condon: I have somewhert
letter that she wrote expressing il- *
I have forgotten just how it is expr
In any case, the letter slates that
constitutes no reflection on your M
or integrity," or something of that
\lu. Th enner: As a result of
did you go to the Stale Department!
while there address a letter to
President of the United Stales in re;
APPEALED TO PRESIDENT r,.as,
Dr. CONDON: I wrote a letter W'pose
President of the I nited Stales, but tat tl
l.\ going to the State Department. Il
Mr. Tavenner: Did you dictate «jpose
employee of the State Department,' °f
the telephone, a letter to the Preside1 com
Dr. CeiNieeiN: Thai is right.
Mr. Tavenner: During the coufl
the investigation, the committee l'"s
tained a copy of that letter, which I
read into the record:
My Deai Mr. President; I re*\
fully appeal to you to overrule
General Groves with regard to /'"'
lions he has taken to prevent my 1
to Moscow to the celebration "!
Moscow Academy of Science, afti
the arrangements were made. 1 estt
I hud given up hope but having In'"1
your wise decision to provide un '"
cart plane for the group, I decide! *' '
make this appeal.
General Groves is conscientiously _ ^
cerned about security in the field "■ I'ru
responsibility, n project with "'"' "' I
lime hail limited connection. My ' >s r
on the project tens finished lour ""' 1
ago. _ \
/ respectfully cull attention lo "'.v "knci
year record of scientific research j0' |
war effort (reference K. '/'. Colli?„„..
/ respeetfully reaffirm with nil >'''' (M1
ily upon my oath of allegiance '" J^,,,,
/ nited Stales of America. 'iSeii
/ respectfully suggest that I tun <(". ,
lo cooperate fully with uny spec'®
strictions fell to be. necessary I" \\ .
accidents while abroad. <
For several years I have keenll
the importance of establishing ''"''
relations between American andRA
scientists. I Inn
looked forward " n"''
lime it hen conditions would pern"1 I
/ have prepared myself by del*, tim
much time and study of the n"*
I believe that It'll
Uy Would be done by my not l"'l"r j|
nulled lo e:o since my scientific "'... c
lion calls attention to th,
involved and may stimulate espv
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