allowing the organization to organize if
it wanted to.
But what I'm trying to point out is
that you get one right-wing organization
attempting to organize and immediately
there is a tremendous storm of protest
thrown around it by the same people who
are constantly screaming about their freedoms being taken away.
Mr. Raico: In connection with SFA
again, about a year ago SFA tried to organize a chapter at Fordham University,
for instance; and the NSA, the National
Students Association, was able to con-
vince the Fordham Student Council to
ban SFA on the campus, and the organization never got official recognition. This
is the same organization, NSA, incidentally, that favors allowing left-wing and
pro-Communist groups on campuses—of
course, that's academic freedom!
Mr. Reisman: And you say they got
rather hysterical about the founding of
Students for America?
\lu. Raico: Oh, yes, and they said
things which were absolutely untrue.
Moderator Burt: Is there any further comment about the freedom to join
liberal organizations on campuses?
Mr. Reisman: If so-called liberals are-
afraid to join organizations and show
their opinions, il seems very strange, in-
.l.-.-.l. that just the other day the Spectator, the Columbia campus newspaper,
reported that 1.100 people had signed
anti-McCarthy petitions, petitions recommending the censure of Senator McCarthy. Now, I've talked to a lot of students, and it seems to me that those -Indents who are afraid to sign petitions are
mostly the students who would be pro-
McCarthy. I find evidence of this in the
Bricker Amendment petitions as well.
Moderator Burt: I quote again from
Mr. Hoffman's article:
"The Chief Counsel for the California
Senate Committee on Un-American Activities testified in Washington that during and after the highly publicized witch
hunts in that state in which one hundred
university faculty members were removed
from their jobs, secret agents were working full lime on the major college campuses to ferret out evidence of possible
subversion. Here, perhaps, is the low
point in legislative degeneration during
the period of panic. The legalized institution of the secret police system has always been so abhorrent to America."
Are there any secret police on your
Mr. Raico: There are no secret police,
although perhaps there should be, since
this is a city college and there are a couple of Communists. I don't think the government should investigate private colleges; this would be a genuine interference with civil rights. But a city college
certainly should be investigated for Communist infiltration ; and a couple of them.
especially in New York, really ought to
Mr. Wright: I would say there is no
investigating at Yale. Of course, I don't
believe there is an) need lor ii. I 'Ion i
think there is a (lommunist on the tacult).
Moderator Burt: At Yale. Have you
ever heard of examples ief our major college campuses being Idled with secrel
agents winking full lime in lick the Communists?
\Iu. \\ iik.hi : \c,i until I read this article, no.
Moderator Burt: George Reisman
of Columbia, how man] secrel agents do
you have working on the campus there,
to your knowledge?
Mr. ReISM \n : None, except in the fantasies of someone like Paul Hoffman.
\\ hat I wanted to bring out here i~ an
interesting point thai Ralph made in lalk-
ing ahiuii i'i\ il rights. W ouldn I il also be
an interference in civil rights if these
professors succeeded in putting enough
pressure on the trustees of various private universities I" prevent them from
running their colleges a- they -aw til?
That would mean if a private college
wanted Ice gel rid of its (juillllllllist professors, il would be an interference with
their civil rights to prevent them from
Moderator Burt: The answer to this
then, as I see it. is that you gentlemen
are saying in contradiction to Mr. Hoff
man that there are no secrel ag^ jl/|
swarming over the college campuses
ferret out evidence of possible subvers*
Mr. Hoffman more or less sums up' l(j
examples by saying, "Literally thousat
of other such examples exist, example
overt action; but there are no written!1 1^
ords of the millions of decisions sile*nj a
made in men's minds to refrain J** fnl li
speaking out against an injustice, >1(.OUI]
entering inlo the discussion of some<*J y
troversial subject, from taking sometyanr]
step in a classroom, laboratory, ofiicAcaus
il-e-w here, that might advance our soCitcj.}^
but at the same time expose them toj ,-ont
accusation of being nonconformists- -rl
Mr. Raico: Look, I would like tojum',
an end to this once and for all. Th" gra,
the most fantastic thing I ever heard- j,u;s
a lecture on ancient history, a proMtor
at City College, lecturer on ancient J J0hi
tory, called McCarthy "a loud-mou'Roo
"a loud-mouthed liar." In a lecture) Dan
sociology, Senator McCarthy is held, and
to be the direct opposite of the scienllhe
method by a sociology instruct"''
pointed out that a German instr" p0
called Bella Dodd "a paid inform',t0 :
This goes on all the time. I wonder *
the academic freedom of the student
never invoked, why their freedom n"J L
have to be captive audience to this'boo
of thing is never appealed to. UIM
Mr. Reisman: It's also very cufl'nfl
that Mr. Hoffman keeps talking a"'he;
many incidences of hysteria, bu'' *,a"
hasn't told us where in particular j
one of these incidents took place, lf'insi
Hoffman wants to be objective and J 1'lai
est, why doesn't he come out and te" pos
these things? In the magazine secjany
there is a picture of someone in the
hs> a ut
shadows of fear, yet here he
shown us where people are afraid
is an hysterica] article if there ever'the
one. j bo<
Mr. Wright: I would not sayltr.1(
any of the professors al Yale wer'j "^
timidated or afraid to take a stand g
Miidkkator Burt: How about on J
conformist issues? Thai was llic |»^r ,.
1 i r ■ ■■ eh
lar phrase, noneoiiiormisL
Mr. Wright: There is no confu^
at Yale unless it's on the liberal side-1 lls,
As explained by the three STATE 0f\ z;,
NATlO\ guests, the Intercollegiate ^ ,. ^
of Individualists, with an approximate . "
brrship of 4,000, is, as the name sugt*j lnf
MX iety of individualists. Little «r no <>T&\~i rf'-
action is taken by this group which "\t jn(
consists of study groups that "get togeth^
discuss the ideas of liberty." us M —
expresses it. "The Society of lndividua&?f\
a very definite political philosophy: lt i ...
political philosophy of all the great lib&M '"
history. It's the philosophy lhat Jf'jl O
stated: 'That government is best ■■■
ems least' the greatest possible aniv"
liberty for individuals. And it thinks (<J ,
is the best way to guarantee prospefim
sides." Any members of colleges or »"
ties who want further information r"a\ J —
the Society in care of Irvington-on-"^
New York. ,,
FACTS FORUM NEWS, January*