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campaign that a nation of our standing
has ever instituted on the face of the
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here and do it in the professor manner.
Mr. Burt: Are you saying then that
1 nilid States government agencies responsible for American propaganda do
not present an accurate picture of life
in the United States?
Mr. Castle: I am positively saying
so, Mr. Moderator. They are presenting
a most inaccurate and most disgraceful
and a most dishonest and a most injurious picture of our life as Americans
live it and as Americans know it. And 1
have proof — a book of it here.
Prof. Norton: I think it's about
time the professors — if that means a
little bit of reason instead of emotion —
should be brought into this picture.
We live in a strange time. Some
people apparently are happy only if they
can prove that the United States was
wholly wrong in the past, wholly wrong
in the present, likely to be wholly wrong
in the future. Personally, I think it's a
pretty good country.
I'd like to quote the report of the
Committee on Foreign Relations on
overseas information programs. After
conducting a very extensive study of the
whole overseas program, they came to
Ihe conclusion that mistakes had been
made—as is inevitable in a situation as
difficult as this—but they did not recommend the abolition of this program.
Rather, they came to the conclusion that
the program should be continued and
issued a series of proposals "for the effective future development of the program." Now, personally, I would prefer
a report like this to the emotional outbreak of two or three individuals.
Mr. Garrity: Well, all you can do —
not being over there — is to quote other
people. And I refer to a businessman
friend of mine named Alfred Kohlberg,
whom I regard as a great patriotic.
American, who came back last May
from Europe and reported on what he
saw in Berlin and Frankfurt. He found
that the whole populace that he interviewed — from porter right on up
Ihrough an ambassador and professor—
regarded the I nited States as in the
grip of a climate of fear and felt that
McCarthy was on the point of taking
Now, he went to the USIA people in
ull the cities and asked them: What are
you doing to counteract this impression,
which is widespread, that America is
about to become a Fascist dictatorship?
And they said nothing.
FACTS FORUM NEWS, January, 1955
Eugene W. Castle
Mr. Casti.e: I would like to present
the words of another professor, Dr.
Milton Eisenhower, once an advocate of
"one-world" government: "The I nilccl
States is fighting Russian propaganda
with popguns and peashooters . . . when
we should be using intellectual atom
Mr. Burt: Actually, we have here two
of our panel members saying, as I get
it, that United States government agencies responsible for American propaganda are not presenting an accurate
picture of life in the United States —
Mr. Castle and Mr. Garrity saying that
they're not, whereas Professor Hodges
and Professor Norton say they are doing a good job and presumably presenting an accurate picture of life in the
United States. Professor Norton?
Prof. Norton: I believe from reading a number of what I believe are
reasonably objective reports that they're
attempting to present an accurate picture. The fact is, this is a very complex
problem. What is an accurate picture?
Is it our slums or our lovely rural territory? Is it Mr. Eisenhower or Mr.
McCarthy? This is a very complex problem. We are not experts in this area.
FACTS FORUM NEWS
After you have finished reading it, leave it in a waiting room
or lobby, or otherwise make it
available to others.
Russia, of course, has brought about a
revolution through the use of propaganda and the "big lie" technique. It
lakes a free society a little while to find
what arc the effective and honest
methods—which are the only kind it can
use in dealing with the world. We've
been a little clumsy in doing that, but
those who have objectively studied this
problem say we're making progress.
And the one thing that all of them agree
upon, who have any degree of objectivity, is that we must continue
and find the means of being more ef-
fective in this area. That, to me, is the
important topic — how to be effective
in the future instead of constantly looking at the past and running down the
I n i led States.
Mr. Castle: I don't run down the
United States. I'm just as patriotic an
American as there is. And now to be
specific. Actually there is no Russian
propaganda as such abroad. The Russians know that all Europeans hate and
distrust both domestic and foreign propaganda, so they avoid it. And here are
examples from personal inspection.
In the heart of Cairo, Egypt, they
conducted a number of widely publicized trade fairs for the masses of
Egyptians. In Cairo our immense propaganda establishment, a six-story building, is located in the ultra-swank foreign
residential district, in the embassy section — heavily guarded by Egyptian
soldiers and strictly out-of-bounds for
the Arab masses.
In Paris, France, where we have
block-long buildings bulging with propagandists in seventeen different high-
priced American locations, the Soviet
Agency has one press attache and some
books. Roth the attache and the books
are hard to find. I looked for them.
The Soviets — through their embassies—direct the card-carrying nationals
whom they trust within a country. They
concentrate their operations in the
poorer sections where the working
masses live. They operate very much like
the late Tom Pendergast's ward-heelers
used to control their political badlands
in Kansas City and like the Tammany
district workers provide turkeys at holiday time and coal in wintertime to their
controlled voters in New York City. The
Russians leave propaganda and its foul
odor strictly to the L1SIA.
Prof. Norton: I think that of the
ridiculous statements I've heard in
recent years, the one that the Russian
regime carries on no propaganda deserves a prize.
Mr. Castle: I'll take the prize.
Prof. Norton: We know that they
spend some three billion dollars. We
know that 1,400,000 highly trained,
skillful propagandists in Russia are
sending all over the world all kinds of
misinformation lies. All you have to do