al Los Vlamos did vou bear discussion
concerning this alomie explosion?
\. 1 did.
Q, Was thai alter the explosion or
• liil you bear about the anticipated explosion?
\. I bean! of an explosion to take
place al Mamogordo.
Q. Wa- thai before?
V I bean! thai before. Ulerwanl- I
heard of the atomic explosion thai took
place at Mamogordo.
Q. Now am I correct in stating that
during the entire period of your stay in
Los \lamos. I'M I to the time you were
discharged in 1946, you worked in the
machine shop and in the Theta -bop on
apparatus and equipment in connection
uUh experimentation on atomic energy?
\. I did.
Q. Was thai work pursued in the
"i.inner you have described here from
sketches supplied and verbal descriptions hy ihe particular scientists oul
there who required the apparatus?
\. I did.
Q. 1 think yon have told ns. Mi.
Greenglass, thai your sisi.-r Ethel was a
lumber of years older than you are; is
thai correct ?
\. She is.
Q. II,,„ much older is she?
A. Six years older.
Q. Do you remember ih.- year in
which she- we.s married to tin- defendant,
Y- Had yon come to know Julius lln
'''iihi'.'ei before your sister married him?
V. I did.
Q. \\ as In- around your house?
A. > es. hi' was.
Q. And you were 17 years old al the
'"I"' ihe-y were married; is that correct?
A. Thai i- correct.
Q. Diel you have any discussion wilh
■'!" I and Julius concerning the relative
'Perils of our form of governmenl and
"'•'I of the Soviel Union?
V I did have such discussion.
V- Over whal period ol time, roughly?
V From aboul 1935 to aboul 1945
"r 1<)I6. [Discussion with Julius began
v- Wen- iheese- discussions numerous?
y \t the beginning, yes.
y. In tin' early period how frequently
. °uld they express their views regard's the relative merits of lhe two
*■ I would -;i\ two or three times a
- I'i.l tin- conversations run along
same line over ;i period of veers?
*• Well, roughly, they did. The con
'''itii'ti- on lln- merits of socialism
~?er capitalism I ihink in the begin-
"- were more vehement.
■ • lalkiiiL' al.out socialism over cap-
"'"•'u. ili.l they specifically talk aboul
Morton Sobeli, convicted with the Rosenbergs of atomic espionage, is now serving a
30-year term in Alcatraz. The Communist
DAILY WORKER keeps up a running fire of
propaganda for his release.
socialism as it existed in tin- S.»\ ict
1 nion and capitalism as it existed here?
\. They did.
O. Did they prefer one over another?
A. They preferred socialism lo cap-
1,1. Whal type "I socialism?
A. Ilussian socialism.
Q. .Now. you say in the early period
these conversations were to your Knowledge twee oi three times :i week?
Q. Thai is your best estimate?
Q. Where eliel they ink.' place?
A. Al tin mother's home. 64 Sheriff
St.. [New York City],
(t). W h:il do miii describe as the early
period? It started in 1935.
\. Well. I would say before 19:19.
l,l. Before the- Rosenbergs were married, I iissume these conversations took
place in the- home ni your mother. 1
suppose after thai they took place some
place else and after that some' place else,
bul these conversations continued until
1945 or 1916 and all along lhe same
\ They did.
(,). Mr. Greenglass, when you wenl
mil to l.os Alamos, was your wife .in!
there w ith you?
A. \o. she- wasn't.
(,). I think you told us she- wenl mil
there in Annus! of 1911: is lhat right?
\. That's right.
O. Wh.-n after \ugusl of 1944 eli.l
\ on se-c \ our w ife?
\. She rami' lei visii me on our second wedding anniversary. It was November 2<>. 191 I.
0. For how long a period of time
w a- -he out in I,os Alamos?
V I gol :i three-day pass plus a two-
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day weekend, which made five days.
1,1. Where iliel she- slay? Was she out
at Los Alamos'.''
A. No. she stayed al Albuquerque.
Q. Where at an apartment, hotel?
\. I n a hotel.
Q. lou had five days oil and joined
your wife at lhe' hotel in Mbuquerque?
\. That's right.
(). Was there any lime during thus:'
five days when you hail ;i conversation
with your wife concerning the atom
A. I did.
1,1. W hen during thai five-day period
was that conversation hail?
\. In Ihe latter half of lhe furlough.
We wenl for a walk oul on Route 66.
past ihe city, Mbuquerque city limits,
ami nol yel to the Rio Grande River,
ami my wife- started the conversation.
(,). Will ion trll us, Mr. Greenglass.
whal Miur wife' s.iiel iinel what you said.
A. My wife said that while she was
slill in New York Julius Rosenberg invited l.t-r lo dinner at their house- eet In
Monroe Street. She- came to dinner and
later mi there was a conversation between the three present — my wife. m\
sister, and my brother-in-law,
Il we'iit something like- this: Ethel
started the conversation by stating to
Hull, lhat she musl have noticed thai
.-In-. Ethel, was no longer involved in
Communisl party activities—lhal they
don't buy the Daily II orker any more
or attend meetings, club meetings.
Ami tin- reason fin this is thai Julius
has finally gotten to ee poinl where he is
doing whal he wanted lo do all along,
which was lhal he was giving information lo the So\ iet I nion.
\iiel he then item mt lo tell Ruth thai
1 teas working on lhe atomic bomb prof-
eel al Ins llariios. and lhal they would
aunt me in give information in the
Russians. [Emphasis supplied.]
\1\ wife- Objected t'l llii-. lull Kllll'l
1,1. I- this w hill Miur w ill- told you?
Dill your wile- use the word "object'?
\. Shi' leelel me that she didn't think
ii wei- a good idea anil thai sin- rJidn'l
want to le'll nir aheiul it.
Bul they told her thai I would wanl
lo know about it and lhat I would want
to help, anil lhal at least the' least she
could do was tell in,- aboul il. So lha!
w a- the conversation.
At lil-t -he- ee-ke'il me' what I thoUghl
aboul thai -at first, I was frightened
ami worried ale.en! it and I told her
lhal I wouldn't ihe it. Ami she- had alsei
I.'I.I nil- lhal in the conversation Julius
and Ethel hail told her thai Russia was
an ally and as such deserved ihis information, and thai she was not getting the
information that was ooming to her. So
later on that nigbl after thi- conversation, I thought aboul il: and the follow-
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