lln- provocative question "\\ ill McCarthy
Come Back?" stimulates challenging debate on ;i Facts Forum I'linel TV .mil radio
show »iili Knlpli de Toledano as thr guest
panelist. Well known as the author of Seeds
of Treason, Spies. Dupes and Diplomats.
and many other besl sellers, Mr. de Toledano gives here liis clear-cut opinion of the
possibility thai Senator McCarthy will return
to continue his investigations and resume liis
place in the press-spotlight*
a way you
I along with
oing lo come i
liat he is not
■ be won't be
nlicity in the
v this is the
, are you pro-
thy as a phe-
5. He would
', in the way
1 it not bee"
rllly or against
IcCarthy as a
mil my ideal
e bis methods
rested in him
was made by
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ry that that i*
that you iic-
Ineklev, do yoi)
nk he will an-
ni- thai Ralph
de Toledano think- he won l. I (hue i believe thai there's anyone around servicing (he hard anti-Communist group in
thi- c in in the extent lhat McCarthy
i- eiml i- prepared lo do, as far as I can
understand, in lhe future.
in: Toledano: If I may interrupt, I
-eiiel I elieln i know.
Buckley: Thai's right.
I'd like ii. bring in your attention lhal,
in my opinion, lhe two mosl noteworthy
emd imporlaul speeches lhal have heen
made anywhere in the 1 nited States in
the lasl several years, were made- hy Me-
Carth) very, verj recently, dealing with
ihe Big F ■ Conference, ami articulating
a whole poinl nf view, which, incidental, was not ei radical poinl ol view because it wa- one that we embodied in
the 19."i I I ie] iii 1.1 i( an platform, but articulating it and urging our citizens to subscribe to tbat view, if, indeed, the) I'-lt
the sanie wav eis thev eliel ei lew years ago.
Combs: The satellite nation speech?
Hi i ki.i.'i : That's the satellite nation
speech. I wrote propheticall) a year or
-.. agn the following passage: "After the
second world wen eunl the- dawn "I ;i new
realism aboul international affairs, lhe
anti-CommunisI prophets began tn gel a
hearing, for il had become apparent lhat
nothing bul the integrity of tin- United
Slat.- stood helwccn lhe So\ iel I nion
.iml we,rid domination. Hut it wa- onl)
when one spy scandal after another
rue kid ihe nation lhal ihe American resistance enlisted recruits in sizeable numbers ami fixed mir attention mi lhe problem of Communisl infiltration.
"By l')5H a genuine mobilization was
under wav and Senator McCarthy, having feiirh recent!) been mobilized him-
WIDE WORLD Pe
self, I,,-,-eun ■ nl ii- leaders, ll i- predictable thai il McCarth) - enemies are
successful in discrediting him the mobilization will lose momentum and perhaps
grind In ei dead halt."
I feel thai our anti-Communist coali-
timi heis. indeed, Inst momentum and
lhal il has almosl ground to a dead hall,
and I think lhal lhe rcsulls nf the Big
Four Conference established ihis more
persuasivel) or eloquent!) than an) other
Ill IM': Well now. you did say thai yon
thoughl McCarthy is coming back, didn't
Buckley: I ihink he will come hack
so long as he is the only person who rep-
resents the poinl nf view of tlu.se win.
deeply feel that we arc Imperiled l>\ the
s,,\ iel Union ami thai wc have got lo do
something aboul il other than negotiating.
Ill HI: And yon think that that climate
will arise in the country?
I!i CKLEY: ie-. I iln. I believe lhat a
group a- irreconcilable ami a- numerous
and as strong as lhal group in the I nited
States has gol lo he serviced, has g..i to
l,c nourished, and inevitabl) il will gnu i-
tale Inward llinsc people who ke'cp nourishing il. whether it he Knowland or Me
Hodges: Well, Senator McCarth)
would represent a war party, in your
Buckley: Well, if you want to use
lhat metaphor. I wouldn't quite cb'seiil.,■
il tbat way.
Hodces: Well, if you're going to do
something you'll probabl) have t.. lake
\mir hands mil nf your pockets and go in.
Ill ( KLEY: lie wi.uhl represent |1„. people who innk seriously Lenin's die linn
lhal coexistence weis impossible.
Hodces: I lake ii seriously.
t mills: So do I.
Hodges: How do you mean? If there's
an) monopol) nn this "Johnn) come
latch frnm Wisconsin in American politics?
de Toledano: You're reducing a verv
complicate,I problem — ] mean two alternatives which jusl an- non-existent.
. November, /«■'-'
In rS FORI M NEWS, November, 1955