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Yes. I think—the basic thing I weuil lo seiv in mv book
is ihis: The main enemy of our free, humane, Eriendlj
democratic way of life is the development of sialism.
We're getting a habil in this country when we Ihink
something is good, we ought lo do something—we mean
by that the governmenl ought lo do it. And very lew
people are reflecting lhat if the governmenl docs every,
tliin": thai is good, liberty will disappear out of ihe world
whether il (Iocs anything bad or mil.
Unit's not the doctrine .. .
I in not quite answering your question there bul just
saying whal I wauled lo say al the moment.
In your book you specifically mentioned thai :i state apparatus demanded planning eunl that meani if you planned
>'ou heul lo plan for <i long term eunl tlieet weis against free
elections, bereiuse you luul lo keep the people in power who
tvould constantly do the planning!
that's line, and you're being verv clear about it.
i d like lo find oul—lo rrcl into the lhe le.ee keieae I—start
From the beginning eunl find oul how you became ., Socialisl
m the first place. When ami where were you horn?
I was born in Canandiagua, 'New York, aboul twenty
miles from the Eastman Kodak Company.
Was there anything about your home life or your environmenl
iis ii youngster thai gave you lhe intellectual Inclinations* for
your desire lo find oul more about governments eunl peoples?
Mv feither and mother were both ministers. Thev were
verv liberal ministers. And 1 suppose lhat means the
root of my feeling, my desire for equality, was Christian.
I was brought up verv freely to use mv own mind emd
make my own conclusions aboul everything. I didn t
become a Socialist because I had a resentment againsl
somebody. I was free and 1 regarded myself as free anel
my motive was jusl to extend ibis liberty to everybody
including ihe working class.
where did you go to school?
1 wenl lo Mercersburg Academy and then lo Williams
College and then studied al Columbia and taught logic,
"hat kind of a degree ilid you gei from Columbia?
emd L'ol a cer-
I came up there
I took all requirements for a Ph.D.,
tificate saying I could have' il whenever
and I never went up and pot il.
You're a Ph.D., hut not technically one?
I lial's right. I wanted lo In- ei writer and I think a
Writer with a Ph.D. tag on his name is eil a disadvantage.
And I don'l like' title's, anyway.
Ion also taught philosophy as will as logic, didn't you, at
■olunibiii—and you were there for four years?
'nil whal prompted you lo leave Columbia? What eliel you do
"hen you did leave Columbia?
Well. I didn't waul lo lie a teacher. I taught in order
lo find mil whal I wanted In know in order lo write
oooks. And I was in a very inferior teaching position
nn assistant in philosophy. I'll tell you an incident which
occurred in mv classroom which Illustrates how much il
Meant lo me. While explaining lhe syllogism on the
Blackboard, very elaborately, a bright young fellow in
back of my class, who subsequently became Senator
O'Mahoney, stink up his hand and said. "Professor,
whal is ihe use of all this?" I answered, "I'm ashamed
lo say it nil- nic (ink five hundred ;i year."
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