those pictures emd brought them back
BURT: Why is it that the Communists seem
to delight in engaging in atrocities?
Bishop: It's good propaganda, li
frightens everyone else.
Combs: What disturbs me about the
Latin American situation and aboul the
possibility of immediate progress of
communism there is the economic dislocation which was exacerbated by our
withdrawal of purchasing frnm Latin
Vmerica eit the end of the weir.
During the war their economy, il
not inflated, was at leasl ei pretty solid
one because they were exporting a greal
deal to the United States.
Immediately follow ing the ending ol
lhe war Latin America was spending
money like a drunken sailor here in the
United States. I weis talking recently
to em executive of one of our large
automobile companies. He told me thai
einv automobile would bring seven or
pfghl thousand dollars on the markel
down there; they woulel pay ridiculous
-urns feir American goods. V- a result,
ihcir ercelil was soon exhausted.
The exhausti f their 1 nited States
iredil meant thai the whole of the Latin
Vmerican area weis almost prostrated
economically, and into such very serious
disturbances in the economic equilibrium the pernicious weights of communism would he mosl effective. It's for
that reason, plus the broadening of the
base of possible conversion, that I'm
very much alarmed about it.
BURT: What should the United States do
to keep communism out of Latin America?
Bishop: I ihink that the Communists
could have taken over Guatemala if the\
had called themselves the Good Times-
Happy Club, ll would have been that
easy because all thev would have to do
is go In the | er people (and there
are more of those than there are of
the richer people-1 and say, "We are
now going to sec that you gel equitable
wages. You no longer are going to
make $1.25 per day. You'll make fix i-
dollar- a day."' ele.
That kind of thing. I think, could
have enlisted lhe support of eilnliisl einv-
niic who has no knowledge of what communism really is. The' label isn'l important. You could have -old a hill of
goods I" lln- people on lhal.
BURT: Now this situation applies in Guatemala, but would it apply in the Argentine?
Bishop: ^l es, il would apply eilmu-t
everywhere else. Secondly, mosl of those
people have em iel.51 thai we- are their
condescending cousins, emd I ihink thai
the' people of the United States who live
at a level perhaps ten linn- higher in
lhe seal,. „f living than lhe average
South American and Central Vmerican
should gel more' of a real brotherly feeling nf kinship toward people in Latin
anel Si.nili America, rather than "we
know what's besl fur you."
Combs: ll involves menu delicacies,
I must admit, fur we will hi' charged
with intervention regardless nl what we
die. ll seems lo me absolutely imperative
that in Latin America as in all nf the
areas nl lhe globe we must recognize
thai Ameriiein destiny does nol lie in
seeking to preserve the status quo where
the present situation is one which militates against ihe economic and social
improvement uf lhe people.
Therefore il ought to l.e necessary
anil certainly obvious wisdom for us In
identify ourselves eelwen- wilh those
forces which were once called "the
Forces of democratic revolution." \l-<e
we should associate ourselves emotionally and in governmental policy wilh the
ma—i's of the people who .en' seeking
in throw off very unpleasant dictatorships in certain nf those Latin \merican
since 1910. and they've been the parly
\eew the) go through all nl ihe forms
of eli'ineee leu \ eunl they have other
parties eunl llie resl nl it. The point is
thai this parly always win- the elections
and always will. The' poinl aboul Latin
Vmerica i- lhal wc mustn't have this
doctrinaire concern about democracy as
we know it. These people don't know
whal democracy is. They don'l experience il. The) don'l particularly want it.
Whal we musl do lo lick Communists
down there ihis will sound evasive
hut llu- besl weiv lo lie k communism in
Latin America is in lick the Soviel
Communism will take care nl il-e'll
in Latin \miiiia provided it is not
coordinated hy a national party lhe wen
—Wide World Photos
At left soldiers of the Obregon Army "dig in" during Mexican Revolution. Yaqui Indians
(right) advance on Vera Cruz from their perch atop freight train.
countries, in ever) way seeking to
lhe people realize their own selt-tul-
fillmeul which, of course, if nol com-
pletely throttled, al least very seriously
compromised hy lhe type of Feudal
dictatorship which exists in main ol
these Latin American countries.
BURT: Would this require financial aid on
our part down there?
Combs: It would require substantial
financial aid. adroitly administered, nol
going In lhe dictators hui righl into the
economy of lln- country, which would
raise standards nf li\ ing.
BURT: Are you saying that we should have
a Marshall Plan?
CoMBS: OI course we should, einel ei
very extended one.
I!i 1 klei : I ihink ii i- extremely
naive and certainly indicates lhal Mr.
Combs hasn't quite done his homework
on Latin \merica. The so-called revolutions— the lasl series of revolutions in
Latin \merica, which Mr. Combs terms
"democratic revolutions simpl)
changed lhe form nl government. In
lent, it is uei less a dictatorship now
than il weis.
Let's take Mexico ;i- a cetsc in point.
Mexico i- dominated hy a party which
even ha- lhe word revolution in it. Par-
lido Revolucionario Institutional, and
ihi- particular part) heul it- leisi revolution In l<)2,':. I ihink thai wee- the tenth
il is today thanks In tin- Soviel Union.
If we- could onl) get nursehes ei foreign
policy here lhal meanl hu-iiicss will'
i, '.Mid lo the Sen iel I nion. then w*
wouldn't hem- in worry so much about
ii in Latin America.
Hodces: I think it's very important
for us to recognize thai you've got two
problems. One is the long-term position
nl the masses. Now I ihink thai as long
as they are underfed mosl of them are
living on a 1,300 to 2.inn calorie die1
withoul any diversification whatsoever
we re lr\ ing to help them on tha*'
lli.il - long-term and we've gol to move
li seems to me the other thing is th*
Mill ceinnol pick and choose epiile -u"
wi' would weint in in regard in people
wliu eire- opposing communism.
they're "agin communism we've gul '"
work w ith them.
Now lhe point i- lhal we have e
in gel Vmerican business in then' ''"'
ing more emd more, and the liinin thine
i- lhal if vein heul ei Marshall Pla°J
George Hamilton Combs, you couldfl
use the money which vou Ihink vou ' ei"
use. In Other words. I go along wilh )'°\
hui in reverse. \\ e don'l have in -|",|H
gigantically. In my opinion, our Lata
an- our besl neig"
hors in lhe whole- w
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