Q. Noes, aboul how long did this
furlough last in September? Was it
ei long furlough or a short one?
A. It was fairly long. The dales on
this occasion I don I know exactly
when I got back to I.os Alamos.
Q. By the way. I think vou have
lold us on several occasions thai you
turned over this sketch and dcsi iriptive
material to Rosenberg, is that right?
A. I said lhal before.
O. Ami that it was typed by Mrs.
\. That'- right.
Q. Do vou know what happened to
the original notes after the typing was
\. The original notes were taken
and burnt ill the frying pan and then
flu-hcd down tbe drain.
Q. Who did that?
\. Julius did lhal.
Q. Did you return to Los Alamos
A. I did return to Los Alamos in
(,). Did there ionic a time when you
obtained ee discharge from the Armv
of lie- I nited States?
A. I eliel.
Q. When was that?
A. In February, 1010. lasl day in
l,l. Where were you discharged?
\. El l'a-o. Texas, Fori Bliss.
1,1. Did vou go from I.os Alamos lo
A. That's right.
Q. Did you receive an honorable
\. I did.
[At ihis point in the testimony Greenglass explains how be returned lo New
A ink. residing first at bis mother's
home al 64 Sheriff St., later at 265
Rivington St. He also tells how he went
into business wilh his brolber Bernard.
Julius Rosenberg, and a man named
Goldstein. For a three-year period they
operated two machine shops G. s\ II.
Engineering and lln- Tilt .Machine Pro-
,lints (,,,r|„,ialion. |
Q. Now, during those three years
from February or March, 1016. until
vimi-l of 1010. did vou see Rosenberg
eit the' business fia,in lime lo time?
\. We did I did.
1,1. Diel veil lieivi- einv conversations
w ith him?
\. I did.
O. \m I eoiTia I in steeling you saw
him very frequently in business?
V 'Ies, , v,'iv day almost.
O. Diel anv of these conversations
relate i,, espionage activities?
\. The) did.
O. Try to loll us as best vou can. if
vou can remember, when or around
when each conversation look puree.
\. W',11. in '10 or '17 Julius Rosen-
I., t " in.id. an offel lo ll"' I" hen e the
b'u a in p.iv for part of mv schooling
and the (il l'„ll ,,f Rights I" pa) for the
olher part, and that I should go to college for the- purpose of cultivating the
friendships of people that I had known
at Los Alamos and also to acquire new
friendships with people who were in
lhe field of research lhal are in those'
colleges, like physics and nuclear energy.
Q. Did he mention any particular
institutions which he desired to have
A. Well, he would have wauled me
to go to Chicago, I niversity of Chicago,
because there were people there that I
had known al I.os Alamos and il Weill well-known institution and il weis
dieillg a lot ol geeeel we.lk ill lhe field
of nuclear physics.
Q. Did be mention any other institutions?
A. M.I.T., and then later on when
which he had engaged?
A. Well, he had lold me lhal he bad
people going I., school in various places.
Q. Will you fix the time when he lold
A. Il weis during ibis period of 10 lo
to 1919. He told me lhal he had people
going lo school ill varioii- upstate institutions. He never made mention of
the institutions, but he seiid lhal hi' vsei-
paying stiiele-nis t,, g0 to school.
',). Did Rosenberg tell you anything
about his own dealings wilh the Itu--
\. Yes, he did.
Q. What .lid he lell you?
A. He told me that he' if be wanted
to get in touch with lb.' Russians he
had a means of communicating with
Pitt Engine Prodi.
N.^ .1 . heul a nuclear engineering course
In* wanted me I., lake thai.
Q. Did he give- you the names of any
scientists with whom he desired vou lo
build up friendships?
\. No: he tolil me thai eil Chicago
I niversity there were' some people- that
I hail gone to school with. I mean. I
bad been at Los Alamos wilh. and that
I should cultivate their friendships.
O. Did he specify how much of this
mnncv would be furnished by the l!u--
\. He specified thai lln- Cl Dill of
Rights would pay for my schooling and
thev would give a certain amount of
money for living of the student, and he
said the Russians would pay additional
money so I could live more comfortably.
I,). Now. eliel Vl'll I v er eigne to go to
anv ill these' schools?
\. I said I would try. but I never
Q. A mi never, in fact, did go; is that
V Thai'- right.
i.i Now. eliel Rosenberg tell you anything about activities of thi- kind in
ih, in in a motion-picture theater, em al'
.ove when' hi' would put microfilm '"'
messages and Russians would pick '■•
up. If he wauled to see them in person-
In would pul a message in there' an1'
by prearrangemenl the) would meet »'
some lonely s|>i>i in Long Island.
Q. Did hi' mention anv other project*
government projects, concerning whii-1
he had obtained information?
A. He once staled to me- in lhe- presence of ei worker of mil's that thev h:"
solved the problem of atomic energy
for airplanes, emd later on I asked hi*
if this was true, emd he seiid lhal '"'
had gotten the mathematics on it- tn«
mathematics was solved on ibis.
O. Did be say from when' be In"'
A. He said In- got it from one ol ll|r
Q. Win. weis meant by him when '"'
A. "They" meaning scientists in i'""
(To li'1 concluded in ihe l/./i
issue of Farts Forum XtWS.)
FACTS FORUM NEWS, April, l>Si