around bv a back road anil we dropped
him in front of the I SO. We went into
the ISO. emd he went on his wen. A-
soon as he had "one down the street,
mv wife emd myself looked around and
we came' out again and back lo lhe
apartment and counted the money.
O. How much was it?
\. We found ii to be five hundred
O. Whal did vou do with the money7
A. I gave il to my wife.
Q. Going back to these sketches which
v..u gave lo Harry (/old, do you remember jusl whal sketches v,,u Line' lee
Hanv Cold concerning a high-explosive
lens mold on thai occasion?
A. 1 .me sketches relating lo lhe experiment setup; one showing a flat the
face of the flat-type lens mold.
Q. Face view ?
A. Face view of the- Flat-type lens
A. I showed ei high-explosive lens
mold. I showed the way it would look
with this high explosive- ill il wilh the
detonators on. and I showed the steel
tube ill lhe middle which would be ex-
pleieled by this lens mold.
O. Now, dill vein prepare on lhat Sun-
elen in June. 1015. and give to Harry
Colli on lhal s.i,ne day any other
sketches concerning this high-explosive
lens 1111,1,1 for .it,,mie energ) ?
A. I showed him a schematic view
of the lens-mold setup in em experiment
Q. By the wen. Mr. Greenglass, 1
ihink vou have already told us you knew
al all iimes lhat all of these' sketches and
descriptive' material we're secret?
A. I diel.
Q. Mr. Greenglass, one thing I forgot lo ask vou about ibis morning in
connection with tin- 1111111111.' up al
Rosenberg's apartment, when you and
v..in wife went there for dinner after
\nn Sidorovich had left the apartment
diel vou have a conversation with Mr.
.ind Mrs. Rosenberg?
A. Yes. I did.
Q. Will vou tell us whal they said lo
vou at lhat poinl ?
\. Well, al this point. \lr. and Mrs.
Rosenberg told me the) were very happy
lo have nn come lu wilh them 011 this
espionage work ami that now thai I
wa- in it there would be no worr) eil,out
anv money thev gave to me. it was mil
ee loan, it vs us money given to me because I was in thi- work and lhal il
wees not el loan.
Q. Did they sav anything eibemi the
source of that money?
A. They -aid that it came from the
Russians who wanted mi' to have il.
Q. Now von have' told lis aboul tin
vi-il eef llelirv Cold lee vein ill June':
about lhe material that you turned over
li, him. W hen after lhal was the- next
eeia eisinii when vou saw Julius Rosenberg?
A. It weis on mv furlough in Septem
be. 10 15.
Q. W here did vou no on thai furlough ?
A. I wenl home, bul I no longer had
the apartment at 200 Stanton Street, so
we- stayed in an apartment where I had
been living before I was married, which
weis in the building that my mother
lives in 0 1 Sheriff Street.
Q. In oilier words, vmi came it
Vw Mexico 1,, \,w York for lb.- furlough?
\. That is right.
0. Did vour wife come with vou?
A. SI,,- did.
Q. A em had nol been in New 1 ork
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Mrs. Ruth Greenglass
from January, 1015. until September,
1015: is lhal' right?
.A. I hail not: no.
Q. .And this meeting with Hanv Gold
took place mil at New Mexico?
A. That is right.
(). \ms. in September, 1015. after
vou returned to New A ork. when was il
lhal you firsl saw Julius Rosenberg?
A. It was llii' morning alter I came
lo New A ork.
Q. Would vein tell us whal happened?
Where diel you see- him?
A. Ih' came up to lhe apartment and
li, vol mi' mil of bed, ami we- wenl into
another room so nn wife could dress.
Q. Did vou have' ee conversation in
thai other loom?
A. I believe we diel.
O. What diel he say to vou?
A. lb- said to me thai he wanted to
know what I bad for him.
O. Diel vou tell him what v,,u had for
A. Yes, I I.del him "I think I have' a
prett) '_',,,,,! ., prett) g I description ol the ale,111 bomb.'
Q. Th,' atom bomb itself?
\. That's right.
(,). Now eel ihi- point. Mr. Greenglass.
I wemi lo take vmi back to vour tesli-
moiiv on f 1 ii hi \ afternoon. I am treeing
to take vou back to meeting in January.
10 15. when vou had a conversation with
Rosenberg al your apartment. Did I
understand your testimony to be lhat
Rosenberg hail given vou a description
ol lhe atom bomb?
A. II,' did.
I,). Will vou tell iis the conversation
you lieul w ith him eet the time w ben lie
gave vmi Ihi- description of the atom
\. Well, he said lo me he would have
lei give' me an idea of whal lhe bomb
was aboul so that I would be able to
know whal I am looking lor. He then
gave ine- ee description ol what I later
found oul lo be was the bomb thai was
dropped eil Hiroshima.
Q. Could you tell us. ;is vou remember, in exaeilv whal words Rosenberg
described this type' atom bomb to you.''
\. lb- said there weis fissionable material at oiie- end of a tube ami at lhe
Other end of lhe tube there was a sliding member lhal weis also of fissionable
material and when thev brought these
two together under greal pressure, lb"1
would be' a tun lieu reaction would
take plan-. That is the' ivpe- of bomb
that he described.
Q. Was lhal lhe first lime vou Inn'
ever heard ,1 description of that lyp1'
A. That is right.
O. Or of emv type atom bomb, is thai
A. That is right.
Q. After he gave' you lhat description, the Hiroshima-type, diel you, in ensuing months, gather information concerning the atom bomb?
\. I did.
Q. Will Villi tell US jusl bow veil! \x < ■"'
aboul thai ?
A. I wool
have access ",'
other points in the project anil also '
wei- friendly with ei number of peop"
in various parts of ih,- projeel and whenever ei conversation would lake place "''
something I didn'l know about I »«" '
listen very avidlv and question ''",
speakers as to clarify whal lluv I""
-aid. I would do this so thai I1"'
Q. Now. in addition to thai lad- v"'''
yourself were' working on various tin".1-'
iised in connection wilh the experimeI
leilii si'd on the atom bomb?
\. Thai is correct.
Q. Such as this high-explosive len»-
A. High-explosive lens mold:
made' In my shop emd I got as a <°°
Ier of fact.' there win- mollis used '"
ihe' atom bond,.
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